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Ned Kelly
31-10-2007, 07:30
Desperately seeking international manager: Applications from candidates with a proven track record only please




(http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/dwindling-interest-in-country-values-1199687.html)



(http://www.independent.ie/)


By Liam Kelly

WANTED: New Soccer manager for the Republic of Ireland team.
Successful Applicant requirements:
(A) As a minimum, he must have a proven track record of managerial experience of top club level in England/Europe.
(B) Preferably have been an international team manager.
(C) Have a few medals and achievements on his CV as a player and/or manager.
(D) Be clear in his own mind how he wants to structure his team.
(E) Show consistency in approach to selecting players for squads and teams.
(F) Have a record of motivating average to good players so they knit together into a unit that can perform consistently to a level greater than the sum of its individual parts.
(G) Be prepared to organise the players into the type of spirit that is more accustomed to a club side and bring any big time Charlies to the realisation that they must earn their place in the team and not be in on reputation or past glories.
(H) Accept a two year contract that will not be discussed until after the culmination of the campaign for qualification for South Africa.
(I) Be able to do the job himself, and not rely on a "mentor" to justify his appointment.
(J) Bring a credible backroom team to the job.
Ironically, setting out the criteria for a replacement for Steve Staunton is the easy part.
It's far more difficult to see how the FAI can be trusted to deliver a manager that has credibility with the players and the public, given their performance over Staunton's appointment.
The flaws were inherent once John Delaney came to power and signalled the end of Brian Kerr's reign.
The word from the FAI was we needed the "passion" put back into the team, and ultimately it was heart and emotion rather than clear-sighted logic that ended with an untried manager at any level getting the pivotal role in Irish football.
It has cost the Association and fans dearly, and they are better off cutting their losses now before the situation worsens.
Money is central to everything the FAI achieves as custodians of Irish Soccer.
They derive their income from the fans who not only pay for tickets but indirectly contribute by buying expensive branded jerseys.
TV money also depends on the team having a market value with viewers.
Sponsors only want to associate with successful brands that have a positive relationship with the public.
The problem now is that public confidence has been eroded by the clumsy learning curve on which Staunton has embarked, courtesy of naive FAI leadership.
To an extent, it's the FAI choice that is more to blame than the former international stalwart whose ambitions overrode his abilities to manage.
Staunton might be a brilliant manager in 10 years time if somebody entrusts him with a club job, but he has shot his bolt with this one.
Sacking him would be expensive, but the cost to the FAI if they refuse to remove Staunton will be greater in the long run than if they agree a compensation deal now.
And then they must be prepared to pay a realistic wage to attract a manager of the highest calibre.
I would feel though, that first they need to organise a group of professional advisors to assess potential candidates.
The likes of John Giles and Liam Brady could be invited to have an input as part of a head-hunting panel, and possibly Alex Ferguson should be approached for his advice.
As for potential candidates, we know it's not an easy task, but it's certainly not impossible.
Martin O'Neill turned it down two years ago; David O'Leary also opted out and of course Alex Ferguson decided to stay on with Man United.
Frenchman Philippe Troussier, former manager of Japan, South Africa and Nigeria at the time was keen but didn't find favour.
Any job selection is a potential minefield, and you need a touch of luck, such as the weird FAI voting which resulted in Jack Charlton getting the Irish job in 1986.
Northern Ireland also got lucky with Lawrie Sanchez who raised the profile of a squad of no hopers before he took over Fulham, and Alex McLeish has maintained the impetus for Scotland that began under Walter Smith.
No doubt Dave O'Leary, John Aldridge, Frank Stapleton and Ronnie Whelan will figure in the speculation when the FAI and/or Staunton bite the bullet.
Each of these former Irish stars has managed, but O'Leary didn't get any of the jobs that were going once he became available from Aston Villa and Aldridge, Stapleton and Whelan have been out of management for some time.
Paul Jewell looks like he's set for Bolton but he could be an outside candidate, although the preference should be for a man who has done it at international level.
- Liam Kelly

the problem is that this country has not got great managers
the only successful managers
well when i mean success full actually got us some where were not natives from ireland
1) the great Jack Charlton got us from what we were (prity much the state we are now) toa great team that did brilliantly in 2 world cups and
2) mick McCarthy, he's english as a player he was useless but i have to admit he was an ok manager he managed the squad that came close to the 2002 world cup

what did brian carr or staunton do for the seniors

Carr got a european title under his belt but not in the senior games
thats were it counts

Kieran
31-10-2007, 15:08
I was expecting something funny there Ned, all you gave us was something depressing and what we all know. Liam Kelly should get an award for repeating the bloody obvious.

Anyway, Roy the boy has endorsed Dave O'Leary -Thats good enough for me- ha ha haaaaaa!

Mike
01-11-2007, 10:13
I was expecting something funny there Ned, all you gave us was something depressing and what we all know. Liam Kelly should get an award for repeating the bloody obvious.

Anyway, Roy the boy has endorsed Dave O'Leary -Thats good enough for me- ha ha haaaaaa!

If they want Irish then O'Leary is the man in my book.

Ned Kelly
02-11-2007, 08:51
Liam Brady in mine!!

Kieran
02-11-2007, 09:20
Did Brady ever manage or is he just another Stan -good ex-player?

Ned Kelly
02-11-2007, 09:53
He managed west ham and celtic

Kieran
02-11-2007, 14:30
I stand corrected. I trust both clubs did well under him Ned, and your not supporting him just for the Irish connection!

Katy
02-11-2007, 22:06
Hi Kieran, did you read my message regarding info etc sent to Angela, I have emailed the magazine and listed my home email so she can reply, or if she wishes she can drop me a note via this site....Hope all is okay now and that your Mum is feeling a lot better...cheers Katy

Ned Kelly
03-11-2007, 09:51
Admittedly he has'nt have a lot of success so far in his managerial career but his work within the managerial structure with arsenal for the past 10 years would stand him in good stead for the Irish job, I say Give him a go, a brilliant player and a top motivator and would command a lot of respect from players and supporters alike, in my opinion the best Ireland has produced! Liam Bradys the man for the job!!!

Kieran
03-11-2007, 10:16
Much of what you said there Ned was also said about Stan. When a guy has a record of serving his country well, people find it hard to accept that he may not have what it takes in a managerial role. However, what you say about Brady's connection to Arsenal might be different, but what exactly does he do there? my understanding was that he used scout the Irish clubs for them, nothing more but I stand to be corrected there!

Ned Kelly
05-11-2007, 09:35
He is head if youth developement and academy director at arsenal, Stan had no managerial experience b4 ireland, Brady has had 3 managerial jobs .West ham,celtic and brighton, admittedtly without much success But I think with his charisma and experience, he's the buachill for the job, but probably won't get it, with Souness and troussier interested!

Katy
05-11-2007, 10:11
Much of what you said there Ned was also said about Stan. When a guy has a record of serving his country well, people find it hard to accept that he may not have what it takes in a managerial role. However, what you say about Brady's connection to Arsenal might be different, but what exactly does he do there? my understanding was that he used scout the Irish clubs for them, nothing more but I stand to be corrected there!


Hi Kieran, trying again to contact you and Angela.....message in your email box on site, please can you send me an email reply today....
Cheers Katy

Ned Kelly
24-01-2008, 11:24
Looks like Houlihan sorry Houliller aint gonna be allowed to take the irish job by his frog seniors. FFS tho I personally don't want el tel to get the job, he's been whorin around for years< he would be just there for the cash!
Give Liam a go at least his heart and soul would be in the job!
But he will need at least 2 years in the job to get himself settled!

Kieran
24-01-2008, 14:28
yer 100% there Ned especially what you said about Verry Tenables, but it seems its already a done deal!

Ned Kelly
25-01-2008, 09:20
Done deals A Chara, too feckin many of them around these days!

Kieran
25-01-2008, 11:41
What about Stevie Ireland? a report in todays paper said Don Givens is furious with him and refuses to make contact for Internationals -Sad!

Ned Kelly
26-01-2008, 09:50
Dunno what the hell is going on there so no comment!

fullastern
26-01-2008, 10:00
Ned, here's a piece from yesterday's Irish Independent - that might give you a flavour of the row between Don Givens (acting Irish manager) and Stephen Ireland.



Naturally, repetition is the order of the day. Yet, by the time the radios finished their stint it was clear that the thorny issue of Stephen Ireland had superseded the clamour for information on the next manager as the main talking point.


Almost giddily, they recounted the outburst which had sprung forth onto their microphones. Givens had been asked why the 21-year-old had been left out of the squad, similarly to his exclusion for the game with Wales in November.


“He hasn't been left out,” fumed Givens. “Does he want to play for Ireland? Does he want to put on the green shirt? I haven't spoken to him and don't see any reason why he should. He hasn't made any contact with me and he knows the situation.


“An awful lot of people in this country would give their right arm to put on that shirt and he doesn't want to, so no thank you. I'm not going to drive up to Manchester to be humiliated by someone like that.


“If he wants to play for his country he can tell us very easily. This association bent over backwards for him, the previous manager flew to Manchester to speak especially with him and he turned it down. So what do you think I should do? The problem is not this side of the ocean, it's the other side.


“Man City have more chance to deal with him because they see him everyday and can influence him more than we can every couple of months. I think they're probably happy, maybe in some ways they're quite happy, that he doesn't come over to play… I don't know though, it's probably wrong for me to comment.”


It was stirring stuff and when the newspaper boys filed in Givens was not quite so animated on the topic, perhaps having been warned about the dangers of delving into it too much again. Even still, his thoughts on the matter are fairly transparent.


“I have a problem with having to cajole and beg someone who is 21 years of age to play for his country,” reasoned Givens.


“A lot of effort was made by the previous manager and association to get him to return which he turned down and I would like to see a bit of interest from his side now.


“We can't forget that the problems relating to Stephen Ireland belong to Stephen Ireland.


The ongoing problems are of his own making. “People have tried to smooth the path enough. If, before the Wales game or this game, I'd had a phonecall in which he said ‘I've had problems but I would like to be included' then there's no doubt he would be in the squad.”


All the same, however, Givens states that the matter has not been discussed with leading managerial candidates and feels it will be up to Steve Staunton's successor to form his own opinions.

Ned Kelly
26-01-2008, 10:11
Thanks Fulla that makes it about as clear as mud lol. I think Stevie wants to play but He's got a few personal problems to sort out? Who knows whats happening with this young man, He's from Cobh for a start and thats a lot of baggage to carry with you! No offence meant since I'm a expat from the town myself, So i know the score! All I can say to Stevie is give it yer best shot A chara. Put yer past behind ya son and move forward with the talents that u were given!

Kieran
26-01-2008, 10:12
I think we are in a stalemate because of two stuborn personalities clashing. Givens has a point in that Staunton went over to Manchester begging the lad to play, but the temporary boss shouldnt have been so public about his own thoughts. The problem now is that S. Ire will get his back up completely and walk away even from the new boss when he comes in. Still, Cobh man or no Cobhman, he was out of order. I was disgusted with Roy Keane for walking away from his country in Saipan and I'm not going to make excuses now for a Cobh man. He however, arranged recently for Tommy Sextons little son and daughter to walk out as mascots at the recent Man-City game against Liverpool!

Kieran
26-01-2008, 10:19
The whisper coming through is that Stevie got embarrassed about the f--- up he made about the Granny thing and fears he will get a slagging from the rest of his team. Others say it was because he already got a slagging over his new hair-piece. His last game for Ireland was when he first wore it. These personal problems he is supposed to have dont seem to appear when he plays for his club, so there must be something about the former that bothers him -who knows?

fullastern
26-01-2008, 11:44
I think Givens, for a man of his years and experience, should know better and keep his thoughts to himself. I don't know Stephen or whatever problems he may have, they're his own business. The Granny thing was unfortunate but it's over. Even Sonia went through a phase of diffficulties but came out of it stronger. If the guy is talented enough to play for Ireland he should be allowed play. And as for all those one armed players Don Givens is talking about, where are they?

Ned Kelly
30-01-2008, 10:30
He should be *given* no pun intended, another chance, Stevie has talent to waste!

Kieran
31-01-2008, 13:51
Should he be given the second chance because of who he is or because he has talent to waste? If its the latter Ned, Will you stick to that same principle the next time some talented player does another Roy and scuppers Irelands shot at a World Cup?

Ned Kelly
02-02-2008, 08:30
Hmmm hard one K, But i think what sticks out in my mind is he's guy with so much talent and so young he deserves at least one more chance!
I know folk will say he's sposed to be a role model for the younger generation, but he's only a kid himself, he needs a chance to mature, We've all told lies to get ourselves out of strife and we've all made mistakes, does that mean we should be kicked to the sideline. Nuff said> probably not but there my 2 bobs worth!

Kieran
02-02-2008, 10:26
See your point about telling lies, but he doesnt seem to be interested in making up and coming back. Yes he is young like all the players around him but he still plays for club without bother? Doesnt smell right!

Ned Kelly
04-02-2008, 09:46
Point taken!

Kieran
04-02-2008, 10:21
Anyone see the special show on BBC last week on the question of the Republic poaching Northern players and whether there should be an all Ireland soccer team. More and more nationalist players are looking south to play and insist they are not poached but going freely. Naturally the northern IFA is toally opposed to the idea of an All-Ireland team. (their own little empire will be over) The BBC then got Mark Lawerson to pick his All-Ireland Team. There was only 4 northern players on it, but he insisted the only chance of it working would have to have Marin O'Neill as manager. I could go along with that. They then interviewd some of the northern league managers, who now have come around to the idea of joining up with the Eircom as one new all-Ireland league that would be very competitive and a money spinner. They reckon its only a couple of years away!

Ned Kelly
06-02-2008, 09:29
At least we would have a united Ireland of sorts, but then again we have had it *rugby wise* for years? I could'nt give a shite who manages the all Ireland football team as long as its Liam Brady lol.
But as the old song goes........ *sure aren't we all irish anyhow*

Kieran
09-02-2008, 08:51
Stevie O'Halloran had a good game game in the under 21 against England the other night. They were outclassed in the end going down 3-0 but put up a great show and deserved a couple of goals themselves!

Kieran
12-02-2008, 09:01
Its Giovani Trapattoni and English Speaking Liam Brady as his no.2!

Is that not a dream team Ned!

Ned Kelly
12-02-2008, 09:35
Check out my latest thread!