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Ned Kelly
23-08-2007, 12:00
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-cork-harbour
Get yer names down folks!
go on ya ned for setting this up, im gonna pass the link to everyone in my address book. at work now and tried to sign up myself but the filter on the net kicked me out so il def do it at home tonite.
Kieran you should advertise this in the mag.
go on ya ned for setting this up, im gonna pass the link to everyone in my address book. at work now and tried to sign up myself but the filter on the net kicked me out so il def do it at home tonite.
Kieran you should advertise this in the mag.
Aha!! Great thing is Websense
Petition great idea Ned, Katy just signed on......cheers Katy:)
Well done Ned. I've autographed your petition;)
Aha!! Great thing is Websense
Hi Mike , any chance you can make the Petition link....a Sticky on site please......fingers and toes crossed.......cheers Katy:)
Ned Kelly
25-08-2007, 11:04
Just had a gander at the petition, 6 from Australia,2 from Ireland and 1 from the UK! Cmon folks it does'nt take much to click on a link and put yer name down!!! It could actually make a difference!!!:confused:
Just an idea, but might be worth posting a notice on pressreleaseireland.com. and drop an email to a few newspapers and local newsletters asking them to mention it?
Just had a gander at the petition, 6 from Australia,2 from Ireland and 1 from the UK! Cmon folks it does'nt take much to click on a link and put yer name down!!! It could actually make a difference!!!:confused:
Hi Ned .....give it time its only been a few days....once word is out about petition then see what happens.....cheers Katy
Ned Kelly
26-08-2007, 04:45
You know us men Katy ......Always in a rush!!!!!!!:D
LOL......;) now did I say anything;) ;) ......cheers Katy:p
Ned Kelly
01-09-2007, 10:15
Obviously the relocation of the container depot is of no concern to most of the folk in Cobh.
Just logged on lads and lassies after coming back off holidays. Will highlight the website in the mag for next week!
Ned Kelly
05-09-2007, 11:49
Woohoo we got 15 signatures!!!!
I believe in myself Katy. I even believe in all you guys on the site. Its the masses out there in the rest of Cobh that worries me. (Me Feinism) was never so strong in Ireland. Just in case you need a translation for that Katy, it means 'Me Myself' feck everyone else, and especially feck community as there is no success or profit to be made by such affiliations!
Hi Kieran.....All we can do is keep putting the message out, that townsfolk must support local issues, ahh!! cheers Katy
Hi Ned....Petition is moving in the right direction...okay slowly but moving.........:cool: Katy
Ned Kelly
10-09-2007, 11:03
I see the Container issue had a big write up in the great island news today! I hope you got yer oar in first K!!!
Ned Kelly
10-09-2007, 11:26
Since I asked folk not to sign the petition anonymously, I could hardly be anonymous myself, hence I put my my name on it!I feel its that important that I've blown my cover!!!
They just carried the same Mayors statement as ourselves Ned, but per form, we investigated and published our own piece on the subject!
Your cover was blown a long time ago Ned. How do you think they got you into the dock!
Ned Kelly
11-09-2007, 11:51
not sayin nuffin!
:D :D :D You lot are brilliant...if Katy feels a bit low she reads your posts and ends up in stitches laughing.....cheers :)
Ned Kelly
14-09-2007, 12:00
Informers matey, informers!!!
Ned Kelly
15-09-2007, 12:37
Ni lios agam?
Anyone got news if the Petition Link has been mentioned in local media.....any chance of a mini poster for Library or shop windows.....ahh!! just a thought.....cheers Katy:)
Ned Kelly
17-09-2007, 11:49
Would just like to say thanx to all for signing the petition, we have a long way to go but I'm sure with just a lil effort we can make it Happen!
Wow!! Ned...that picture of the Harbour is magic.....ahh!! Katy wishing she was in Cobh right now.....lol cheers Katy:) :)
That same camber will feature in this weeks mag, but not for nice reasons!
Ned Kelly
18-09-2007, 11:03
Don't tell me the sewers still flow in there????
Ned Kelly
19-09-2007, 09:50
Unbelieveable in this day and age that shite is still flowing into the camber!
Hi Ned.....I wish all our visitors on site had signed the Petition......better still I hope they come back and sign up as regular members.....cheers Katy:)
fullastern
19-09-2007, 15:21
Save the Whale! Buy him a gas mask.:eek:
Ned Kelly
21-09-2007, 11:14
I sent the Petition off to the cork examiner on wednesday this week and asked them to consider publishing it!Lets see what happens but Don't hold yer breath!
Nice one Ned....cheers Katy
Not a hope Ned, though I wish I were wrong. The Crosbie folks at the Examiner and those unelected wise-ones at the Port of Cork, all come from the same gene-pool. They'rl be no progressive thought allowed there, certainly not from a faceless upstart from down-under!
Ned Kelly
22-09-2007, 11:34
Well mo Chara at least I'm trying, very trying at times I'd imagine to some visitors to the site. I've put me name to the petition and maybe i should put me ugly mug also it might frighten folk into signing it!
The apathy of the folk back yonder is frightening enough tho but still as you say the me fein society is alive and well!
neil@96fm.ie You will make far more headway there Ned. Ask for Eimer O'Hea the programe researcher. Explain that you started the petition from down under and it will certainly get air time.
Like Ned, I fail to understand why the towns folk of Cobh have not (so far) got behind the petition.
Do they not realise tourism is a multi million pound (euro) industry, that will over the years bring more money into the local economy, and create jobs not 'just' for the younger members of the community.
I maybe a regular visitor for many years, (God willing) and truly will never stop promoting Cobh, and all its brilliant features,history, heritage...
I seem to remember what I said when I first came onto this site many moons ago. The Towns Citizens, and Officials, must open their eyes and appreciate what you have on your doorstep.
I get angry when folk, moan, but dont stand up and shout whats 'Good' about their homestead.....come on Cobh People, tell the world what great things you have to offer.
Cheers Katy
We live in a drone generation where young people work- drink, snort and watch football in the pub. Why should they kick up about some new industry in the harbour that may create new jobs. A friend of mine who I thought should have known better, put that to me a few weeks back. Thing is, not a single new job will be created. Just old ones transfered to the new location. Dont give though, its always small minorties that start the march of change!
Hi Kieran,
Sorry but I cant agree with what you said, (drone generation):mad: and your description of young people, is well off the mark....okay in many places around the globe a small percentage maybe. But no way is the majority like you said.
And yes as a Town Official, member of the Cobh Community, I like the friend you mentioned in your post say 'Kieran' you should know better than to make remarks like you have on site.
:( :( Katy
Ned Kelly
24-09-2007, 11:14
I hate to agree with the Councillor Katy, But he's spot on with his comments on the drone generation! Its like that old adage if its not broken don't fix it, Thing is a lot of folk don't even realise its broken because they think well i'm alright so everything must be hunky dory, that is until it comes up and bites them on the backside and they think whats happened I did'nt do anything to deserve this and thats exactly the point they did'nt do feckall!
Hi Ned, while my feelings and comments still stand. I have to say if everyone keeps talking doom and gloom...then thats what will prevail.....But if more people start pushing the positives, and think of what the future holds. And this is not just in Cobh, truly things will begin to change.
Its far too easy to sit back and do nothing, to blame someone else for things that are going wrong.
I was raised by a stong, hard working Irish Lady, my Nan..who told me to be positive, confident and support others in need. If that makes me look naive then so be it.....but at least I can sleep at night.
Truly if my health and finances were better I would be over to Cobh in a blink of an eye...if it takes a visitor to see things that others dont see......That Cobh has truly a great future, and I want to be part of that adventure......cheers Katy:) :)
Sorry Katy, but the size of Neds petition and the particular failure of young people to sign up, is living proof of what I'm saying. I live in Cobh and keep a keen eye on what young people do. Every pub at weekends are full of young people with football shirts, big screens and pints of lager. The streets are full of screeching cars (boy racers), and whats left of the once quiet suburds are now the new drinking dens. Yes many young people engage in positive activities with local sporting clubs but its very questionable at this stage, of which category is now the majority or minority. The slow pace of Neds petition tells its own story Katy. Elected Councillor or not, my head is not in the sand and I hold to the view that we are living in a drone society (if I wanted to pretend and remain silent, I would have joined a conservative opportuniste party). None of this however, changes the reality that Ned was still correct to launch the petition and fight to change the Port of Cork's plans. If he and others didnt, then maybe there will be no 'positives' left to highlight soon Katy!
Ned Kelly
25-09-2007, 10:56
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SAVE CORK HARBOUR
Target:
WE SAY NO TO CONTAINER DEPOT AT RINGASKIDDY
Created by:
Paul Barry (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/feedback/291687073)
It is proposed to relocate the shipping container depot from Tivoli to Ringaskiddy in the near future.
Whilst this will probably not mean more shipping traffic, it will mean that there will be a concentration of those ships anchoring at Ringaskiddy and a marked increase in noise pollution at a time when it is proposed to consolidate tourism in the area and to beautify and reclaim the harbour for locals, visitors and recreation in general.
If its at all possible please do not be anonymous when you sign the petition.But every signature is vital!
It is proposed to relocate the shipping container depot from Tivoli to Ringaskiddy in the near future.
Whilst this will probably not mean more shipping traffic, it will mean that there will be a concentration of those ships anchoring at Ringaskiddy and a marked increase in noise pollution at a time when it is proposed to consolidate tourism in the area and to beautify and reclaim the harbour for locals, visitors and recreation in general.
If its at all possible please do not be anonymous when you sign the petition.But every signature is vital!
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We signed the "SAVE CORK HARBOUR" petition!
# 27:
Sep 23, 2007, R Johnson , California
# 26:
Sep 20, 2007, Colm Keating , Ireland
# 25:
Sep 20, 2007, Helen O' Meara , Ireland
# 24:
Sep 18, 2007, Siobhan O' Meara , Ireland
# 23:
Sep 17, 2007, Mike Bardsley , Ireland
# 22:
Sep 12, 2007, Finbarr Fangmann , Ohio
Please keep our Harbour as Natural as possible.....Finbarr
# 21:
Sep 10, 2007, Wilf Flynn , United Kingdom
Save Cork Cobh Harbour
# 20:
Sep 9, 2007, Eilish Cleaver , Australia
well done creating this petition... have just had a swim in Whitepoint and its putrid, have very fond memories of what was once a beautiful harbour.
# 19:
Sep 8, 2007, Elena Rauch , Germany
Keep Cork clean
# 18:
Sep 8, 2007, Terry Pierce , Ireland
I agree with the artical in the In Side Cobh that these plans are motivated not by progress but by profit and will have a detrimental effect on the tourist potential of Cork Harbour
# 17:
Sep 6, 2007, Anonymous , Ireland
It will destroy the natural beauty of the beautiful natural harbour - the 2nd largest natural harbour in the world.Say NO to the steel containers and the noise 24 hors a day 365 days a year!
# 16:
Sep 6, 2007, Jim O'Meara , Ireland
Cork harbour is a world class natural harbour of great beauty. It has great potential for sensitive leisure, sport and tourist development. This proposed project will destroy this potentail and rob the country forever of one of greatest assets for short term gain
# 15:
Sep 4, 2007, Rhonda Barry , Australia
# 14:
Sep 3, 2007, Janet Gallagher , United Kingdom
# 13:
Sep 3, 2007, Anonymous , United Kingdom
# 12:
Sep 3, 2007, Cllr. Kieran Mc Carthy , Ireland
We'll only get one shot at this. No second chances! Lets save the harbour for our grand kids now!
# 11:
Sep 1, 2007, Paula X , Australia
# 10:
Sep 1, 2007, Carrie Ford , United Kingdom
# 9:
Aug 24, 2007, Claire Murphy , Australia
history & heritage dont seem to count for much, a grand mess to leave future generations seems to be the "in thing"
# 8:
Aug 24, 2007, Mary Harrison , Australia
# 7:
Aug 24, 2007, Pol De barra , Australia
It seems to me that Cork Harbour is being attacked on many fronts, Spike island,Incinerator,container depot, Is the harbour to be the next dumping ground for unwanted industry. Stand up and be Counted Now!
# 6:
Aug 23, 2007, Anonymous , Australia
# 5:
Aug 23, 2007, Shirley Donovan , Ireland
# 4:
Aug 23, 2007, Katy Tolson , United Kingdom
Cobh Cork Harbour, History and Heritage needs to be protected, for future Generations. This is why I say 'No' to the proposed container depot to be placed at Ringaskiddy. Regular visitor to Ireland.
# 3:
Aug 23, 2007, Michelle Mc Dowall , Ireland
# 2:
Aug 23, 2007, Eoghan Barry , Australia
# 1:
Aug 23, 2007, Paul Barry , Australia
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Ned Kelly
26-09-2007, 10:55
I have sent the petition off to at least 10 irish newspapers around the globe as of yesterday, Lets see what happens!
Did you try 96fm radio Ned?
Ned Kelly
26-09-2007, 11:46
will do now!
Ned Kelly
26-09-2007, 11:47
Just had a reply from the echo wants me to ring them, !
Ned Kelly
26-09-2007, 11:55
They reckon the echo that is will make a good local story, I will ring them tomorrow!
Sounds good mucker,Give them hell!
Ahh!! Katy saying sorry if I came over all heavy in my other posts.....:o :o
Rough week....docs, hospital, job centre.....and the blinking cold and damp is driving me crazy......ahh!! need another holiday to chill out....either that or a original Irish Coffee or two....lol.....So sending a trillion ((((((Hugs))))) cheers Katy
Ned Kelly
28-09-2007, 12:39
I had an email from an echo journalist today looking for some background On the Save Cork Harbour petition, seemingly she is going to write an article on it, I have replied and gave her all the info I thought was relevant. Keep yer fingers crossed folks, we might get there yet!
Ned Kelly
28-09-2007, 12:44
Have one on me Katy!:)
Ned Kelly
28-09-2007, 12:54
Katy For Cobh ambassador!:)
fullastern
28-09-2007, 12:59
On this morning's Irish Examiner today (28/09/07) about proposed move of entire city docklands downstream to make way for hundreds of appartments and commercial units - the Yuppification of Cork Docks. The plan includes a 30 storey appartment block and 600,000 square feet of office space. The whole thing will cost more than €2 Billion.
Read the story in full by clicking the link below
http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=43861-qqqx=1.asp
Ned Kelly
28-09-2007, 13:17
2 billion? berties spare change!
Have one on me Katy!:)
((((((Hugs))))) thanx and cheers Ned......:) Katy
Katy For Cobh ambassador!:)
LOL....:o :o cheers Ned for Mayor:)
PS, In the early hours while surfing the Net, I found this great photographer called John Herriott from Ireland....his site is brilliant...photos fantastic...and Ned the pictures of Cobh (ariel shots) will take your breath away....truly this guy is amazing....when you get time take a peek at his site....cheers Katy
http://www.irelandphotography.com
Hi everyone, any update news on publicity for the Petition..cheers Katy:)
Ned Kelly
02-10-2007, 11:39
The Echo is sposed to be doing a story on it Katy!
Cheers Ned.....has anyone got a weblink to that paper that I can use.......:) Katy....with fingers and toes crossed....
Ned Kelly
03-10-2007, 11:47
www.eveningecho.ie
Ned Kelly
09-10-2007, 11:55
I had a phone call regarding the Petition from Eimer o' Hea today 96 FM producer! Asking me about what was happening, I informed her about what I knew! When I told her we had 34 signatories on the petition she seemed to lose interest??? So Folks I dunno where we go from here!.Any suggestions welcome!
Hi Ned, what we need is some small group within Cobh, to get the word out ie, word of mouth, posters etc ...publicity is the key factor, its how do we get the info out if local media not keen on helping.....aaahh!! I need another coffee
And why do I get the feeling that some, are wishing that we forget all about Cobh, its future and the like.
Like other members on site have said, its Cobhs time now....while other places move forward, the Island seems to be standing still....
.....:( Katy
I have a piece in this weeks magazine linking the ports plans to Cobh losing the marina. There is a lot of public anger over this with a meeting in the Commodore next Friday. Why dont you write a letter to the mag Ned, appealing for people to sign up and save the marina by keeping the container terminal up river where it belongs. People might bite then!
Ned Kelly
10-10-2007, 11:56
Losing the marina from the holy ground? Is not something I would write a letter about! If the marina was going to be in a more suitable location, I would'nt have a problem with that!
Ned Kelly
16-10-2007, 11:43
Have sent off 3 emails to the echo about the petition story that they said they printed, asking for a copy to be emailed to me but nothing has come back???
Ned Kelly
17-10-2007, 11:28
Wasting my time methinks!
Ned Kelly
18-10-2007, 08:52
Woohoo got a reply at last!
Cobh man to fight port move
LYNDA FOLEY
AN ONLINE petition opposing the 160 million plan to move the Port of
Cork to Ringaskiddy has been launched.
The port is planning to move its container port operations at Tivoli to
a new, larger site at Oyster Bank in Ringaskiddy by 2009.
The ‘Save Cork Harbour’ petition was started by Paul Barry, a former
Cobh native now living in Australia.
Mr Barry, who has lived in Australia for the past 21 years, hopes to
collect 1,000 signatures before it is sent to the Government and the
Port of Cork Company.
“I have always taken a keen interest in what’s happening back home. I
have taken the steps to draw up the petition because I think it’s a
worthy cause and the people of the harbour and its exiles should have a
say in what’s happening to it.
“What the port authority is promoting will damage the harbour beyond
repair for future generations. It will make what is and should be a
beautiful place to live and visit an awful eyesore and a disgrace to
Ireland,” he said.
Politicians and several local groups representing lower harbour
residents and sailing clubs have already criticised the project.
They have cited concerns about noise and visual impact and said the
lower harbour’s valuable sailing amenity would be lost if the project
goes ahead.
The project will involve the reclamation of 18 hectares of land to a
distance of almost half a kilometre from the existing Ringaskiddy
shoreline.
The port company plans to erect four 70-metre cranes along the water’s
edge and store hundreds of containers in five-high banks on the new site.
The new terminal, together with a multi-purpose roll-on/roll-off berth,
will be able to handle twice the volume of the existing Tivoli terminal.
Work is expected to begin next year and will be carried out in two
phases. Phase one will cater for 300,000 container units, while phase
two will complete the facility allowing it to cater for 600,000 units.
A spokesman for the Port of Cork Company said: “With a project of this
size there are always going to be some concerns raised.
“We will address these concerns in the best way possible.”
The petition can be accessed at www.thepetitionsite.com (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/).
Echo Publications (Cork) Ltd
Directors: G. A. Crosbie (Chairman), D.F. Linehan (Chief Executive), A.W. Dinan (Secretary), T.P. Crosbie.
Registered In Dublin, Ireland. Registered number: 344279. Registered Office: City Quarter, Lapps Quay, Cork.
fullastern
18-10-2007, 09:15
All good things come to those who wait.....
Oh wait, isn't that Mike's slogan?
Ned Kelly
18-10-2007, 11:28
LOL Fulla, Sign the petition ya bugger!
Ned Kelly
27-10-2007, 11:30
Woohoo we hit the big 40!!!!!
Ned Kelly
10-11-2007, 12:29
44 signatures, FFS folks I can't believe that the penny has'nt dropped yet, Does anyone in the harbour give a shit that whats coming will ruin their environment, noise pollution,visual pollution , pollution from the ballast that will endanger any local fauna and flora that still exist! Christ, Apathy is rife in the harbour. Ye have no idea what will happen if this plan goes through!
Methinks it is the responsibility of the local councils to get the message through that this no joke, it will mean that there is no future for the harbour. The port authority could'nt give a damn what happens downstream ! They will sell the land at Tivoli for big bucks, probably make a fortune out of it and when the folks of the harbour actually realise whats happening it will all be too late, You have been Forewarned!
Ahh!! Ned keep your spirits up....sending Flo and one of her mates..........to make you a bacon sarni....cheers Katy:)
Ned Kelly
12-11-2007, 09:30
Ya Katy lets all lie back and have a bacon sarni, while the harbour gets shafted!
Cobh and Passage town councils have already come against the project Ned. I have written publically so have others but the public are not biting. At the recent public meeting for the Marina, the local deputy harbour master stood up and slated Inside Cobh for being critical of the Harbour authority (someone you grew up with Ned). Pity I was in hospital the same night with my mother or I would have let him have a few home thruths. The Councils cannot force peope to fight or even object, the people need to make that call themselves. We can only lead by example and we have done that very publically. There is a great letter in this weeks mag by a writer from Macroom, 'MACROOM' showing an interest in our harbour!
charlie_boswell
12-11-2007, 21:33
I signed the petition today.. Unfortunately I don’t think it’ll make a difference though. To quote an earlier post I don't think we have a drone society just a society with all its values in the wrong places, These days people worry about the price of petrol, how are they going to pay off the credit card debt and how long do they have to sit in traffic before they get home. We truly know the price of everything and the value of nothing! I don’t think that there’s a single person (myself included) in the country that claim otherwise.
Sure I’m sad that we are nearing the destruction of a beautiful harbour, are people going to do anything about it…I think not
Charlie.
PS. Ned, At the risk of Mike throwing a wobbler, have you tried posting on the peoplesrepublic and boards.ie? And I'm sure there are many environmental forums that would jump at something like this. Best of luck.
C
Ya Katy lets all lie back and have a bacon sarni, while the harbour gets shafted!
Ahh!! Ned my post was ment to be supportive so sorry if you thought i was being nasty....truly I am and always will be a supporter of Cobh, and its future.....this petition is as important to me as a visitor as it is to you.....The fact that I have passed on the petition details on other sites....some linked in Mayo....ie one is with Midwest Irish Radio Forum and another in Ireland Calls site to name but two .....like you I can but try to get people to see the bigger picture....like Kieran said if Cobh folk dont realise whats going on .....ahh!! what then.....((((Hugs))) Katy
PS, do I have to send more Taytos crisps now, to make you forgive me:o
Ned Kelly
13-11-2007, 08:35
Thanks Charlie for signing and your input!
Katy! Nothing to forgive as far as i'm concerned or maybe just a little, I know you have been very supportive but this is a major issue for the harbour!
Since i have seen the article from Inside Cobh with that picture visualising what the back drop could be if this plan goes through, it has really brought it home to me that this could be the end for the harbour!
Kieran M8 I know you have done a heap of work on this and for that we are all thankful.For the life of me I can't understand why most of the folks of the harbour can't get their heads around whats going to happen!
I think Charlie has just answered that one for us Ned. I've been campaigning and on picket lines for 30 years now Ned, always for the underdogs causes, and so have completely forgotten what goes through the ordinary persons mind on a day to day basis. I guess people just take a short-term view of everything these days, and as Charlie says, they think through their pckets. The trick here Ned, "and this is your mission should you chose to take it" is to make people realise that the harbour 'Protected' will be their long-term source of employment!
Ned Kelly
13-11-2007, 09:52
I wish I knew how to that Mo Chara, I have been trying left right and centre to get publicity for this cause, i've had some minor success with the article printed in the Echo, I have written to many publications and radio and tv, but without much hope so far. I will continue to the bitter end with this petition because of its importance. but its so damn hard to do anything when i am at opposite end of the world!
SAVE CORK HARBOUR NOW!!! Or it will be Lost Forever!!!
Ned Kelly
29-11-2007, 10:05
http://www.portofcork.ie/includes/images/colours.gif
Oyster Bank Development - 21 November 2007
PORT OF CORK TO LODGE PLANNING APPLICATION FOR NEW CONTAINER TERMINAL
PORT OF CORK TO LODGE PLANNING APPLICATION FOR NEW CONTAINER TERMINAL
The Port of Cork has advertised its intention to lodge a planning application to An Bord Pleanála (ABP) under the Planning and Development (Strategic Infrastructure) Act 2006 for the proposed development of a new container terminal at Oyster Bank, Ringaskiddy.
Following publication of the Port of Cork’s Strategic Development Plan in 2002, Oyster Bank at Ringaskiddy was identified as the most favourable location for the development of a new Container Terminal with a multi-purpose Roll-on Roll-off berth. The current container terminal at Tivoli reached maximum capacity of 180,000 TEU (20ft equivalent units) in 2006, four years earlier than anticipated. Available space at Tivoli has been utilised to bring capacity to 215,000 TEU, but this has exhausted site potential there and a new container terminal has to be built to cater for continuing increases in traffic.
An Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) has been prepared to accompany the Planning Application and a dedicated website – www.oysterbankplanning.ie (http://www.oysterbankplanning.ie/) - has been set up to allow anyone who is interested to view or download the application and the EIS, which will also be available for inspection and/or purchase at the offices of An Bord Pleanála in Dublin and of Cork County Council, County Hall, Cork. The project qualifies as a strategic infrastructure development and therefore goes directly to An Bord Pleanála for consideration. There is a seven week period for submissions and observations ending at 5.30 p.m. on January 28, 2008.
The proposed development comprises the demolition of the existing public pier and slipway at Ringaskiddy and the construction of (a) a Container Terminal and (b) a Multi-Purpose Roll-on Roll-off Berth. A replacement public pier and slipway will be constructed east of the site occupied by the National Maritime College of Ireland.
The development proposed comprises the following works:
(a) Container Terminal:
480 m quay wall and deck;
Approx. 18 ha of reclamation and associated revetments to provide the terminal working area;
Dredging of the seabed material to a water depth of –13.5 m chart datum;
Installation of various types of container handling cranes and associated terminal transport equipment;
Two-storey administration building and a maintenance building.
(b) Multi-Purpose Roll-on/Roll-off Berth:
269 m quay wall and deck; surfacing of existing port lands to provide hinterland storage area;
Dredging of the seabed material to a water depth of –11.1 m chart datum;
Installation of floating linkspan (floating pontoon of steel construction) to facilitate Ro-Ro traffic.
(c) Construction of a replacement public pier and slipway with associated carparking and landscaping.
Access to the proposed development is via a new access road from the N28 to the terminal location. The proposal includes road improvement works within the existing harbour lands and realignment works to the internal port road network
The entire proposed development will be carried out on existing lands of 76.1 ha and reclaimed lands of 18ha. The proposal includes all associated site development and landscaping works all on a site area of approx. 37.4 hectares at Ringaskiddy Deepwater Port, Loughbeg, Ringaskiddy, Co. Cork
In 2005 the Port of Cork held initial public consultations after which the scheme was refined and the individual impact assessments for the EIS were undertaken. Another public consultation session was held in June 2007 to display refined plans and to seek further opinions of those who live, work or have an interest in the Ringaskiddy and Harbour areas. The impact of the proposed development on the environment was assessed and is set out in the EIS.
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Background Information
·The Port of Cork is the key seaport on the south coast of Ireland.
·One of two Irish ports which service requirements of all five shipping modes
oLift-on-Lift-off (Lo Lo)
oRoll-on Roll-off (Ro Ro)
oLiquid Bulk
oDry Bulk and
oBreak Bulk
·Increase in trade volumes by the port with the milestone of circa 10 million tonnes of cargo exceeded in 2005 and 2006.
·Since 1990 the Port of Cork has invested circa €79 million in new and improved facilities.
·The Port of Cork is responsible for four distinct public port facilities in Cork Harbour
oCity Quays
oTivoli industrial and dock estate
oRingaskiddy Deepwater and Roll-on Roll-off Terminals
oCobh Cruise Terminal
·The Port of Cork’s contribution to the Irish economy is on average €26 million.
·Value of passing trade through the Port of Cork in 2004 valued at €13 billion.
·The Port of Cork contributes to Cork’s potential as a primary gateway as envisaged by the National Spatial Strategy and recently in the National Development Plan 2007-2014.
·Growth in overall tonnage handled from 6.4m tonnes to 10m tonnes between 1993 and 2005.
·Roll-on Roll-off (Ro Ro) tonnage handled increased by 7.2% between 1993 and 2005 and Lift-on Lift off (Lo Lo) tonnage handled increased by 9.2%.
·Investment in new port infrastructure is clearly needed to address the pending shortfall in port capacity.
For further information please contact:
Capt Michael McCarthy,
Commercial Manager
Port of Cork Company
Tel: 021 427 3125
There you have it from another Cobhman Ned, he was probably a year or two ahead of you in School. He was also the man, i'm told who had a go at ourselves at the Marina public meeting for taking his company to task!
fullastern
29-11-2007, 16:56
That's right Kieran, I was there. He was quite nasty about it - he referred to the paper as a rag. Maybe he prefers those papers that do his bidding - you know who I mean.
Given their rulings on other issues (incinerator, marina, Tara, Corrib Gas, etc, etc), it's hard to have any faith in Bord Grant-ála.
Ned Kelly
30-11-2007, 12:13
Get the barricades up folks this monstrosity is going to happen, Ye have 7 weeks to do something about it, once the first shovel full is dug there will be no stopping these arseholes!
Message for Ned ....
What can I say....out of 51 names on the petition only 20 are from Ireland....it says volumes that those of us who realise the value of Cobh Harbour are from all around the World.
All we can do is keep the issue out in the open, by passing on the info to as many groups etc as we can....I have drawn up a few details of Irish Groups in UK, those that have contact emails will get the info from me.
Do you have any Irish Community Groups in Australia....its worth a try...
And if anyone has relatives across the pond, I know New York has a large Irish Community....just give the groups the info and link to the Petition, then its up to them if they wish to support.
cheers Katy
Ned Kelly
03-12-2007, 09:47
Tis all too late Katy, Irish folk in general are too busy Xmas shopping, spending up big on the credit cards.Being honest the majority don't give a damn. If they can't be bothered their arse stopping a fecking motorway going though the hills of Tara, What chance they will bother about Cork harbour, Thats the Celtic tiger for ya!NUFF SAID!!!!
Theres a public meeting called for 17th Dec at Cobh Pirates on the Harbour issue. Hope to see you there Ned. lol. Well i certainly hope to see a Sky sports announcer and Chairman of the Rushbrooke Links residents association there!
Ned Kelly
08-12-2007, 09:52
Great news K, I hope something comes out of it. Its a start at least!
Ned Kelly
21-12-2007, 09:19
Well K what happened at the meeting???????
Ned Kelly
22-12-2007, 10:28
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22 December 2007
Residents say port project is unacceptable burden on lives and health
THE Port of Cork company is applying for permission to relocate its container traffic from Tivoli and the city quays to Ringaskiddy.
Importantly, the residents of the lower harbour area do not oppose the relocation of the city quays’ traffic to Ringaskiddy. They believe the issue of the docklands development and the Tivoli container facility has been confused in the eyes of the public.
In short, the city quays and the Tivoli facility are not one and the same thing.
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The Tivoli container facility, located about a mile downstream from the city docks, is not a barrier to the most welcome proposed new City Quarter development of the docklands.
The Port of Cork, a private company under the Harbours Act 1996, currently handles between 120,000 and 140,000 containers (or TEU) annually and has ambitious plans to make Ringaskiddy a European hub port, generating 600,000 TEU to 800,000 TEU annually.
The massive Southampton port barely reached the 800,000 TEU figure in 2005.
The Port of Cork has said it intends substantially to reduce its workforce, thus depriving the Ringaskiddy and Cobh areas of any financial benefits whatsoever.
It proposes to infill the foreshore from the existing Ringaskiddy dock basin to the National Maritime College and extend some 500 metres into Monkstown Bay, thus reclaiming approximately 42 acres.
The company proposes to erect 70-metre-high cranes (higher than Cork County Hall) on the new waterfront and operate the facility 24/7 the year round.
The facility will also require smaller moving lift-type cranes which constantly emit a warning noise as they are operated. Light pollution in the area would dramatically increase as the operation of the port would be fully floodlit through the night.
According to RPS, consultant engineers to the Port of Cork company, the noise pollution at source while stacking containers would be the equivalent to that of a jet engine.
The health and safety consequences for the residents of the lower harbour area would be appalling. Residents would be permanently denied their right to the quiet enjoyment of their homes and environs.
Rest and sleep would be seriously compromised and denied to many, so we object to the imposition of this proposed nuisance in our midst.
We question the validity of Port of Cork’s claim to best global practice in port environmental management with particular regard to its commitment to “reduce and control the potential impact of commercial vessels”, the “minimising of nuisance in areas such as noise” and “reduction of impact on marine ecosystems from the movement of vessels”.
For the many people from city and county and the communities of the entire harbour area who enjoy water sport activities within the safety of Monkstown Bay, the future is very bleak.
We value the amenity which is the harbour and we view the proposal with great foreboding as the increased, constant shipping activity would consign such relaxation and enjoyment to fireside memories.
There is a very serious potential for damage to the nearby Monkstown Creek and its irreplaceable birdlife. The incidence of Cork city flooding would increase due to the resulting constriction of tide flow at Whitepoint, bearing in mind that flooding in Cork rarely occurred pre-1950, before the infill of the tidal plain between Tivoli and Dunkettle.
One can only imagine the road traffic congestion which would result from the implementation of this proposal. The roads of Ringaskiddy, Carrs Hill, Raffeen, Monkstown and Passage West would be clogged up with container-laden traffic heading for the South Link Road and the Jack Lynch Tunnel.
The Port of Cork company consultant engineers clearly stated that traffic was not their problem — it was an issue for the National Roads Authority!
The benefits to Cork, and the entire country, from this proposed development would appear to be minimal and it makes little fiscal or commercial sense. Indeed many would question its viability in the national interest.
Therefore, the proposed Ringaskiddy development is being opposed as an unacceptable burden on the lives and health of the residents of the lower harbour area.
Don Teegan
Hon Sec
Cork Harbour Environmental Protection Association
John Barry
Hon Sec
Blackpoint Residents Association
Audrey Hogan
Hon Sec
Ringaskiddy Residents
Association
Alan Fleury
Executive Committee
Monkstown Bay
Sailing Club
Steven Foott
Hon Sec
MDRA — Monkstown Residents Association
fullastern
22-12-2007, 11:56
"Private Company" - Sorry to be pedantic about this but I noticed the same statement in the article submitted to Inside Cork. The Port of Cork Company is a commercial semi-state company, not a wholly private one. There are elected representatives from Cork City Council and Cork County Council on the Board - Cllrs. John Kelleher and Damien Wallace from the former and Cllrs. Alan Coleman and Michael Hegarty from the County Council.
Personally I think the terminal needs to move futher downstream but not necessarily to Ringaskiddy. They should have bought Marino Point when they had the chance - it has a vital facility, a railway line which Ringaskiddy lacks. There is a huge CIE land bank idle at North Esk near Little Island which used to be an Irish Rail freight depot - it has lots of rail headings etc but would require huge investment in order to bring large ships to a suitable adjacent point. A combination of Marino Point and North Esk should have been investigated.
Your right there Fulla, The reason why they didnt purchase Marina Point seems to baffle everyone. I suspect it might have cut their profits big time. Its obviously alot cheaper to reclaim the foreshore at Ringaskiddy than to purchase the old IFI site. Selling off North Esk and Tiviolli is where the real killing will be made. As for the semi state body with its elected members on the board, are any of those named Councillors living in the Cork Harbour region? -I dont think so!
finally, I welcome that letter which appeared in the weekly and sunday papers from the undersigned group, but some people are already describing them as been a little elitest. They called their public meeting for the same night of the Council's budget meeting which is probably the most important council meeting of the year. I didnt discover until later that our Mayor had informed them of this and resquested that they would change the date so all the councillor could attend the meeting, but they refused. Nevertheless, the Council has agreed to re-lodge its objection to the Ports plans to an Bord Pleanalla!
Ned Kelly
24-12-2007, 09:13
Marino point?? Why would purchasing there make any difference, there would still be the 365/24/7 noise and light and visual pollution!!! Please correct me if I'm wrong. The lower harbour in my opinion is sacrosanct. There is no place for a container terminal anywhere in the harbour!NUFF SAID!!!:confused:
fullastern
24-12-2007, 09:36
Afraid I can't agree with you Ned. Being Christmas I don't want to get into argument but the lower harbour is where the commercial port first developed because up to 150 years ago or so ships, even small ones, couldn't get beyond Passage until they dredged the channel. In those days Passage was the main port for Cork while Cobh was utilised by the British Navy until they built Haulbowline.
The port is worth in excess of €100 Million per annum to the Cork area and as ships get bigger there's problems getting them upstream. The Tivoli terminal is reclaimed land and is actually starting to sink with the weight of the containers and it's at capacity already.
Tourism is vital to the region but so is the commercial activity at the port. In my opinion the harbour is big enough for a mix of both.
I disagree with both of you. I dont buy the lower harbour angle, history aside, but the reason for me why marina point would do is because there was far worse pollution coming out of it upt to a number of years ago. The container terminal would have posed less of a threat and saved Ringaskiddy and tourism.
fullastern
24-12-2007, 14:28
I suppose that's my city origins showing through. I consider everything south of Rochestown to be the Lower Harbour!
Ned Kelly
26-12-2007, 12:57
Are you guys for real??? Its just not tourism we are talking about here, its the actual lifestyle of the whole harbour. Who the hell would want to live in an environment where noise,light and visual pollution plus everything else that would be unloaded from the ballast of these ships!
I'm lost folks, maybe its just me but do any of you realise what this means for the folk of Cobh,monkstown,passage,Ringaskiddy and numerous other townships within the harbour?
If you people can't see the future, If any? That is the politicians, residents, stakeholders of the area, you will deserve everything that the port of cork will serve to you!!!
Maybe we are missing something Ned but if you take a look at the letter published above, you would see the signatures of those representing the folks in monkstown and passage -just a few hundreds yards cross river from Marino Point. Up to a few years ago, they lived with the threat of an actual time-bomb on their door steps. That was not a Metephor but an actual -potential bomb (actually 2 of them) in the form of two huge C02 amonia siloes (tanks) by the quayside. Of course such a plant would never get permisssion to be built so close to a residential area these days, but in the early 70's no problem. If they were to go up by accident, we were told that most of the lower harbour would have been wiped out. If one of them formed a leaked and the wind happened to be blowing towards passage, it would have been wiped out in 20 minutes. So you can see why they look upon anything that goes there in future as being infinately more safer than what was there. More importantly for them, it may even be an improvement on the direlect ghostyard shells they have to look at right now. You cant destroy something thats already destroyed Ned! I'm far more interested in finding out why they bypassed Marina Point, with its ready made deep-water quays, Storage areas, carparks and Railway Lines?
Ned Kelly
27-12-2007, 12:18
Christ Kieran, You have completely missed my point once again! Two wrongs don't make a right. Who gives a flyin shit about marino point or anywhere else within the harbour for that matter that they want to base this montrosity!. Right here we go, What can you folk not understand about no F...ing Container terminal is wanted or needed within the harbour. There will be no employment created, the noise and light pollution plus the crap that will be injected into the harbour from these ships ballasts will make the harbour unliveable for anything either human or animal! Am I wasting my time here or what, I feel like I'm banging my head on a brick wall!:confused:
Deep breaths there Neddy, hit a pillow and imagine its a present from the Port of Cork. Bursting an oul blood vessel there isnt going change things one iota at this end Ned. Perhaps I did miss your point completely, just as you have mine. Your opinion on this whole matter isnt necessarily the common or right one and each individual community around this harbour probably has a different take on it. The point I was trying to make was -perhaps the folks at Monkstown/Passage is that they would prefer to see and encourage any industry at Marino Point once it keeps out another dangerous chemical industry. Anyway it doesnt really matter now, because we know the Port has no interest in the place! Keep up those deep breaths now Ned!
Ned Kelly
28-12-2007, 09:45
I've had my say! You all can take it lying down or fight for whats right!!!
Objections need to be submitted directly to An Bord Pleanala by 28th January 2008 - Objections are free and must contain Ref: PL04.PC0004 Port of Cork Container Terminal at Ringaskiddy - Post to: An Bord Pleanala, 64 Marlborough Street, Dublin 1, Ireland. Make sure you sign your name and include your postal address.
Pasted from the petition with thanks to John Fitzgerald!
Just as a matter of interest Ned, can anyone object or must they reside or enclose an address from the oul sod? I'm thinking that maybe you could rustle up more objections where you are, than can be produced here.
By the way, the public meeting held recently at the Rushbrooke hotel saw a full house turn out. They were mainly people from both sides of the river who's homes will be directly facing the proposed eyesoars. the rest as you say Ned, seem happy to take it lying down!
Ned Kelly
29-12-2007, 09:51
I don't know Kieran, or really give a shit about where the objections come from as long as the desired outcome from us who do give a shit is obtained!
A lot of folk could say to me mind yer own feckin business.It is my business and always will be. The home place for us expats is important! I'm beginning to change my opinion about the expat vote k, possibly you were right all along and we do need a voice back in the aul country as the folks back there seem more interested in the almighty euro than saving a heritage that is not theirs to squander!!!
Yip, the Ques of People outside of the Polish embassy in Dublin recently waiting to cast their votes in the Polish General election was truly a sight to relish. Here were people ready to get rid of a regime which they saw as been responsible for them having to emigrate to find work and feed their families. Had we that right for the last 90 years, look how much different our history might be now. Pity it took something like this to make you angry and realise that it should be a natural right of yours Ned.
Another interesting thing which may not please you Ned. A few of the names on that signed letter of objectors on the Cobh side are self interested property developers. If you were visit the old land around Whitepoint -Dutch Villas and the places you often write about from times past, you would no longer find it as its now a concrete jungle of houses. So while the Port is planning to destroy the beauty of the harbour on one side, they have already destroyed it on the land side. Still, it is their right to object now, but where are the plain people who used to cherish all this by right?
Ned Kelly
31-12-2007, 10:35
All I can say is that it has to stop somewhere or else it will just go on and on and profiteers with no vision or no scruples will continue to get their own way and destroy a beautiful country! If the plain people (as you said) Don't stand up and voice their objection!
If we don't what are we leaving for those who come after us? The concrete jungle within the concrete country??? What a legacy!!!
Ned Kelly
04-01-2008, 10:02
The petition thingamajig is starting to look very phallic:rolleyes:
Ned Kelly
14-01-2008, 09:38
NEW LOCAL GROUP TO FIGHT PORT PLAN
A public meeting was held on 17/12/07 in relation to the Port of Cork’s proposed move from Tivoli to the Oyster bank at Ringaskiddy.
Over 100 residents braved the cold to attend. Port of Cork has applied to develop a huge container port which could result in a 400% increase in their current handling capacity operating 24 hours a day, 365 days per year.
A vast area of land is to be reclaimed from the sea that will position the loading and unloading of containers approx. 500 metres from Whitepoint beach. The 70 metre cranes, stacking equipment and vast number of containers will blight the harbour landscape for years to come. It is also unlikely that any new jobs will be created for Cobh as a direct result of this move.
At the meeting large number of residents voiced their concerns about the plans which included the potential noise, light and air pollution, the visual impact on harbour views, the location being so close to Cobh's residential areas, the 5 foot way, the children's playground and beach at Whitepoint, the environmental impact on the harbour, the loss of fishing and sailing areas, the negative effects on both the harbour's tourism potential and on the future economic development of Cobh itself.
At the end of the meeting a unanimous vote against the plan was recorded. Following the meeting, a number of residents have formed a Cobh branch of the Cork Harbour Environmental Protection Association (CHEPA). This group’s mission is to keep Cobh residents informed of the plans and to organise a public response to ensure that the relevant official bodies are fully aware of the negative impacts of this development on Cobh and to encourage people to object before the deadline.
If you would like further information please contact chepacobh@hotmail.com. Objections must be submitted to An Bord Pleanala before 28 January 2008. Objections are FREE and should be sent to: An Bord Pleanala, Ref: PA0003 Port of Cork Container Terminal at Ringaskiddy, 64 Marlborough Street, Dublin 1.
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Cheers Ned for posting the information and details about (CHEPA) maybe, just maybe we can see progress and the individuals of Cobh, getting involved with what is a major issue. Like you have said, once the depot is in place....no way will the area be restored for other uses.
I welcome the forthcoming action by the towns folk, to stand up for their rights.....Those Politicians in higher authority have a duty to, protect the environment so no harm to come of future generations.....
What will they say if ....a number of container ships have a collision at the harbour entrance......have these official not seen reports on tv, what happens......OMG....
Katy
Ned Kelly
15-01-2008, 09:39
Thanx Katy!
Ned Kelly
15-01-2008, 09:43
Lets Hope its not all too late!
Hi Ned, all we could do was try to get the message out...truly I hope this group in Cobh, give it a 100%.....cheers Katy
Ned Kelly
18-01-2008, 09:42
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-cork-harbour
just noticed that 38 of 65 names on that petition Ned, were from folk outside of Ireland -sad. lets hope there is a few more than that on the petition that counts.
The campaign picked up a bit here in the last couple of months with a big banner at Belvelly when people arrive onto the Island and peo;le handing out litreture and taking signatures.
Everyone knows now, its just a question of wheter they care!
Ned Kelly
28-01-2008, 09:48
Well at least some folk care, you can take a dog to water but ya can't make em drink!
My family back home have'nt signed it and I thought they would, but obviously they are just as apathetic as most. Such Is Life!
Ned Kelly
01-02-2008, 10:17
Cllr. Whitty informed the Members of a public meeting regarding the Port of Cork's proposed move which was being held in the Rushbrooke Hotel that same night. Unfortunately, the meeting could not be rescheduled and apologies were conveyed to the Chairman of that meeting for the Mayor and Councillors. This issue will be detailed on the January agenda and the objection to An Bord Pleanala would also be discussed at this meeting.
The Town Manager extended invitations to all the Councillors, Ex-Councillors, Officials and Media for Christmas drinks after the meeting.
1.Budget 2008
fullastern
01-02-2008, 10:58
I think I'll have to turn up someday with my NUJ card and join the party!
Hi Guys..any update in your local newspapers yet?....pass on any info please....cheers Katy
That was the budget meeting, and the one at Rushbrooke I told you about which the organisers refused to re-schedual when Whitty approached them. Still -Its the waiting game now!
Ned Kelly
04-02-2008, 09:42
Well obviously a piss up at the council chambers was the way to go!
Who was yer man again ya know that roman fella??
Ya know yer man with the fiddle, sheesh i can't remember his name, what was it again folks?? ah it just hit me!
Looks amazingly like GB, nah it can't be its nero!
Wouldnt call it a piss-up, there wasnt a drinker in the house, a few wine sippers alright. They were more interested in posing for photos. A piss-up is where people want to get sloshed, - sing and make fools of themselves, and if they are really on form, throw a punch at someone. Our first citizens wouldnt do that!
fullastern
04-02-2008, 10:30
They might be a more interesting bunch if they did! I once remember a Labour councillor in Cork taking off his jacket and inviting a member of his own party outside the door during a council meeting.
The nearest we came to that in Cobh, was when J. Mull senior insisted that I apoligise for using the f word during a heated debate. I heard that Vera Hartland once threw a jug of water over Packie O'Mahony and legal letters started flying about the place, but that was well before my time!
Ned Kelly
06-02-2008, 09:51
Shite K, I never thought yerself would be defending the local politic against where they shoulda been on the night in question. But then again I spose u have too look after yer fellow *comrades*
'DEFEND' Ned, who was defending and what was there to defend? I reckon every one at work, in voluntary groups, sporting organisations, hold an Christmas break-up drink or Piss-up. Why shouldnt Councillors? All i was saying, is there were no real drinkers among my lot! now Ned will you drink to that!
Ned Kelly
07-02-2008, 10:30
They shoulda been at the meeting a chara!' Ya know the wan that is trying to Save Cork Harbour!
I will toast the day when people get a handle on whats gonna happen to Cork harbour if folk don't get their finger out!
Sorry Ned, yous not bees listening. The Council had its annual budget meeting for the year that night, the drinks were later, by which time the other meeting had already finished. By law the council has to nominate a date to hold its statutory Budget meeting and would require calling another meeting to change that date. The Mayor called on the other meeting organisers to change their meeting so all the councillors could attend, but they declined -obviously not feeling it was that important for Town-hall heads to be there! Sin e mo chars!
Ned Kelly
08-02-2008, 09:49
Murphys law methinks!
fullastern
08-02-2008, 14:03
I'll second that!
Ned Kelly
26-02-2008, 08:32
Save Cork harbour petition is now closed, due to lack of interest!
Ned Kelly
29-02-2008, 11:46
Nuff Said!
Hi Ned, I got a letter from the An Bord, re my submissions, that was a few weeks back no more word as yet. cheers Katy
Ned Kelly
01-03-2008, 09:38
Onya Katy, More than I got for my efforts, I'm not playing anymore I'm taking my ball and goin home!:D
Theres an oral hearing planned by the board for Cork Airport hotel. Should be fun. Will meet you off the plane for that one Ned!
Ned Kelly
04-03-2008, 09:24
Wanted: Ned Kelly's missing remains
· Outlaw's bones may have been discarded in quarry
· Archaeological dig at old prison site to be extended
About this article
http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/05/21/NedKelly256.jpg Ned Kelly. Reckless killer or driven to crime by injustice?
Some 126 years after he was executed, Australia's most notorious outlaw, Ned Kelly, appears to have given the authorities the slip again. The 25-year-old, a folk hero of Australia's colonial past because of his daring bank robberies and shoot-outs with police, was hanged for his crimes in 1880 and buried in a mass prison grave.Today it was revealed by the authorities in Melbourne that the legendary bushranger's remains are missing and their whereabouts are a mystery. One theory is that they were mistakenly discarded, along with the bones of other executed prisoners, in a quarry during drainage works at the prison around 1960.
Kelly's exploits have inspired films, television programmes, songs and books and debate about his place in Australian history has raged for decades, with opinion divided over whether he was a reckless killer or a young man driven to crime because of poverty and social injustice.
News of the mix-up, however, has been greeted with merriment in Australia. "Once again Ned Kelly has authorities scratching their heads," noted the Melbourne Herald Sun newspaper gleefully.
Born in Beveridge, Victoria, Kelly and his family lived in poverty and his first clash with police was at the age of 14. He was proclaimed an outlaw some years later after he and his gang were involved in a shoot-out at Stringybark Creek, which left three policemen dead. While on the run, he carried out two bank raids. In the second, he and his gang broke into a police station in the town of Jerilderie, imprisoned the officers in their own cells, changed into their uniforms and posed as reinforcements from Sydney. The gang took over the town for several days, raided the bank and burned mortgage deeds.
Prior to arriving in the town, he dictated the Jerilderie letter, a manifesto of about 8,000 words in which he tried to justify his activities, expressing his antagonism against the police and his sense of injustice about the way he and his family were treated because they were Irish Catholics. He intended the letter to be published as a pamphlet but it was kept and used against him during his trial.
Kelly was finally trapped in an ambush on June 28, 1880. He came out dressed in home-made armour, made of metal plate, and walked towards the police firing furiously. He was shot in the legs, arms and groin multiple times before being arrested, while the rest of his gang was killed. He was sent for trial, sentenced to death and hanged. Two newspapers reported his last words as a weary: "Such is life."
Archaeologist Jeremy Smith of the conservation organisation Heritage Victoria said Mr Kelly's remains would have been among those of prisoners transferred from the Old Melbourne Gaol to Pentridge prison in the 1920s. "Although his skull was souvenired, his bones would have been just put in a sack in a disordered and deteriorated condition," he said. "We think there would have been about 32 bodies in a mass grave and probably all of them have been lost." He and his team have been charged with clearing the old prison site, which is due for re-development. Mr Smith said he would extend the archaeological dig in the hope of finding the outlaw's remains but it was likely that they had been dumped in a nearby quarry.
Backstory
Edward "Ned" Kelly was born in June 1855; the exact date is unknown. The son of Irish parents, he was the eldest of eight. As a boy he risked his life to save a drowning boy. He was given a green sash as a mark of gratitude by the boy's family and was wearing it under his armour during the shootout with police that ended his time on the run. He and his family lived in abject poverty and were described as wild and rowdy. They were accused of crimes including cattle theft but Kelly said they were victimised for being Irish Catholics. He was hanged on November 11, 1880. Kelly has been played in films by Mick Jagger (1970) and Heath Ledger (2003). Peter Carey won a Booker prize for his novel True History of the Kelly Gang.
Methinks da next time ya see me back home. twill be in a box!
They kept that green sash thing quiet didnt they. if it were an orange one, they'd probably have it over his armour in the film!
Ned Kelly
05-03-2008, 09:48
Thats for sure K, being Green was almost as bad as being Black!
Heres a pic of Patrick Johnson. Irish father and Aboriginal mother!, The fastest man in australia!
Methinks da next time ya see me back home. twill be in a box![/quote]
Aaahh!! Ned, (Paul) you said you wanted a reunion of mates.and Katy to bring Taytos, when Mike and Kieran buy the amber nectar....so enough of this " twill be in a box" I want to hear you all singing.lol.thats after a wee dram or two.lol
Interesting stuff that about Ned Kelly, aahh!! to be sure, our Ned can find all this info and post on site..and send wee Katy, who has lost her voice .(stop laughing) a one of your Irish Coffees...cheers Katy;)
:) This ones for you Ned..cheers Katy:cool:
Ned Kelly
06-03-2008, 09:48
Aah yer one in a million Katy! ye can take the taytos and everything else to me wake!
Ahh! that Irish Coffee looks mighty good.I got another letter from An Bord this week, gave details of meetings in Cork Airport, looks like all those who submit info against proposal will get the same letter.cheers Katy
Ned Kelly
10-04-2008, 07:27
10 April 2008
Fishermen and sailors’ fears of job losses at port
By Eoin English
THE livelihoods of inshore fishermen will be wiped out if the Port of Cork builds a €226 million container terminal in the lower harbour, an oral hearing was told yesterday.
And it will severely restrict sailing pursuits and introduce new hazards for sailors, local sailing experts told the Bord Pleanála hearing into the project earmarked for Oyster Bank in Ringaskiddy.
The comments were made during day six of the hearing which saw the first of up to 60 third-party submissions from the public.
The fishermen, who between them have fished the harbour for more than a century, said dredging to facilitate the project would devastate bountiful fishing grounds and deplete stocks.
Roy Collins from Cobh, who has fished the harbour under licence in an inshore vessel for 21 years, said it has been a way of life in Cobh for hundreds of years.
"We fish the Oyster Bank from September to February. It is a very productive area for fishing — sprat, herring, codling, and green crab, a substantial market for which has been developed recently," he said.
"If the project goes ahead, it will end commercial fishing in Cork harbour, and angling."
He said the Curlane Bank, between Spike Island and Crosshaven, which was dredged to facilitate the port’s expansion at Ringaskiddy in the 1980s, has never recovered.
"This kind of activity has a long-term effect on sea life, resulting in us losing large fishing grounds, and financial loss," he said.
Mr Collins also expressed concerns that the dumping of dredged material for the Oyster Bank project 5km south-east off Roche’s Point will destroy fishing grounds which have been restocked over the last 10 years with the help of Bord Iascaigh Mhara.
Michael Taft, who has fished the harbour for about 50 years, said he had similar fears. "My time is going. But I would like to ensure that the next generation can still enjoy this wonderful facility of the harbour."
Several residents, most from Monkstown, cited concerns about noise, dust, the devaluation of property and the destruction of harbour views if the project gets the go-ahead.
However, Bord Pleanála inspector Paul Caprani expressed concerns that many individuals who were listed to make submissions failed to show up.
College student Caoimhe Burns, a member of Monkstown Bay Sailing Club and a senior sailing instructor with the Irish Sailing Association, said the container terminal would severely impact on sail training grounds used by children during summer courses, as well as introduce new hazards for young sailors in the form of extra sea traffic.
Pat Hallissey, whose Monkstown home overlooks the proposed site, said he was concerned that his house would be devalued.
Bob McLaughlin, who has lived with his family in Monkstown for 29 years, said industrial, residential and leisure activities have been able to coexist reasonably well in the harbour.
"But all this will change with the proposed development," he said.
"I have no confidence in the Port of Cork to manage a facility on such a large scale."
The hearing continues today when the Ringaskiddy Residents’ Association is due to make its submission.
I was going to mention that Ned, but thought you might get in ahead of me!
Ned Kelly
11-04-2008, 14:25
Being Honest K You really should have got in ahead of me????
I spoke with Roy Collins (fisherman) today. He told me that MIck McCarthy of the Port, ran over to him after he saw a reporter talking to him outside of the hearing, took him to one side and asked him to not speak to the media until May. Could you beat that for neck and stupitity?
Ned Kelly
12-04-2008, 11:50
Mick mac I hope he's not a rellie K, cos he needs a good kick in da bollox, ferkin cheek of him!
Good on roy collins for ignorin da prat!
Heard on RedFM this morning that planning permission for ringaskiddy depot has been rejected! Good news !
Ned Kelly
27-06-2008, 10:49
An Bord Pleanala has refused planning permission for a multi-million euro cargo terminal in Cork Harbour.
A three week public hearing was held in April after more than 500 objections against the development were lodged with the planning appeals body.
The Port of Cork had been looking to build a new container terminal at Ringaskiddy because it claims its current facility at Tivoli docks is too small to handle new super container ships.
The proposed development also included a 480-metre quay with a roll on/roll off berth.
An Bord Pleanala's reasons for rejecting the project include excess traffic congestion in the locality and the lack of a rail link in the area.
Well done Ned. You didnt bring many local citizens along with your petition but someone in high places definately took note of it!
That is a fantastic news! Wonder where they will relocate it now?
Ned Kelly
27-06-2008, 11:54
Thanx Kieran, I'm not claiming any glory for this decision, if my input helped thats great but I doubt it. I think 500 submissions from the local harbour folk was the deciding factor and it just goes to show that *ordinary* people can and will make a difference. Good onya folks, hopefully this will be the end of profit over people in the harbour area but the poc will probably appeal so complacency is not a virtue in this case!
Ned Kelly
28-06-2008, 11:14
I read in the exam that the decision is final and the poc can't appeal, great news hopefully! Some have mentioned marino point as an alternative???
I can't imagine that being any better than ringaskiddy, ok its got the rail line, but the noise,light and air pollution will be just as bad, if not worse. Correct me if I'm wrong!
I'm afraid that they probably will opt for Marina Point, and theres nothing anyone can do about that because its already zoned for industry from the days of NET. Railway and berthing facilities already there. We'll see.
I was just looking at one of your previous posts Ned, The Mick McCarthy you asked about was from the family that lived in Maurice Moore place. He'd be few years older than yourself!
Sorry can someone explain where marina point exactly is? :confused:
Ned Kelly
30-06-2008, 11:49
opposite ringaskiddy, kari
Ned Kelly
30-06-2008, 11:53
We all thought that poc was going to get their way with Ringa, We won! So never say never. If they put in an application for marino point, lets give them more of the same!
fullastern
30-06-2008, 12:14
Let me be devil's advocate for a moment. The port of Cork needs greater capacity. the existing facility at Tivoli is too small. 95% of all Irish exports and imports travel by sea from our ports. While direct employment at the Port of Cork is much smaller than it used to do, thanks to mechanisation the number of jobs dependent on the port is huge - possibly as many as 100,000 in the region. It is vital to the economy.
The plan for the new container terminal at Oysterbank, Ringaskiddy was knocked on the head primarily for access reasons - no rail link and inadequate roads. So it would seem that the next target could well be Marino Point which has good rail access, potential and deep water. But the roads at Marino Point are much worse than those at Ringaskiddy - although there are plans for a new road between Cobh and the N25.
Personally I think we do need a new freight terminal for the port of Cork, where it is located is another question which I'm not qualified to answer. We are a sea port primarily and I think there is plenty of room for a commercial port beside leisure and tourism interests (in the world's second largest natural harbour). We will have to wait to see what the port's next plan is going to look like.
opposite ringaskiddy, kari
Is it where the new golf course is being built?
fullastern
30-06-2008, 14:50
It's near the golf course - it's the old NET / Irish Fertiliser Industries site opposite Passage West / Glenbrook
Wow that is not good at all! :mad:
Wait and see, after years screaming and trying to highlight the condition of the Fota Road, the machines will be out soon to give us a whole new road system to Marina Point!
We spent years trying to highlight the condition of the Fota road but to no avail. Just wait and see, the machines will soon be out to give us a whole new road structure which will probably stop at the gates of the old NET site!
Is there already a plan for a new road layout? If yes could someone please post a link?
Thanks :o
fullastern
01-07-2008, 10:18
There was something in Inside Cobh about a year ago about the alternative routes. Maybe Kieran could find a link for us.
I've also found this on corkharbour.ie which includes maps etc -
http://www.corkharbour.ie/pages/Cobh_Regen_Study.pdf
Ned Kelly
01-07-2008, 11:59
But what about the pollution,noise,air, light! Also sea pollution of incoming vessels offloading their ballast into the harbour and don't tell me thats does'nt happen because we all know damn well it does!
fullastern
01-07-2008, 14:48
A certain amount of it is inevitable. But we are a harbour port, we have been for over 1,000 years. The Statio Bene Fide Carinis (a safe place for ships) of the city's coat of arms attests to that. We do need a commercial port, don't we?
Ned Kelly
02-07-2008, 11:39
No doubt we do need a port! I'm sure kinsale would love to have it, Don't ya reckon?
But in all seriousness, Youghal might be a good alternative?
fullastern
02-07-2008, 13:48
Neither have rail links for starters (although most of the Youghal line is still intact). More importantly they don't have sufficient deep water (particularly true of Kinsale). There's also the question of proximity to where the goods are needed. Personally I think the move down river from the Cork quays for general cargo (non-container) is a mistake - it's to support the developers making more millions from apartments for yuppies in docklands. However containers need a large landbank (for storage / marshalling) and deep water, more so than other types of cargo.
I grew up amost within spitting distance of Cork docks (although I didn't spit because I was a good boy). We had to put up with raw chemicals and items such as grains, molasses and sulphur being unloaded from bulk carriers. The stuff would blow all over the place and some days you just couldn't go out it was so bad, especially the sulphur and nitrates for Gouldings. The grain dust went everywhere too and my mother used to test the wind direction before putting clothes out on the line to dry because if it was coming our direction the clothes would end up destroyed.
Things are a lot better than that now as most stuff is containerised and most of the previous bulk stuff is now packaged - or banned completely (like DDT).
Ned Kelly
03-07-2008, 11:33
I was joking bout Kinsale!, get the dredgers out for youghal, thats what made Cobh a deepwater terminal, waterford wants the container depot and youghal is practically in waterford, So let 'em have it and Save Cork Harbour!!!!
Just imagine if history took a different course a few hundreds years ago and the port was developed down river in stead. The city of Cobh/Queenstown would probably be thriving now, and you and I Ned would have no tall tales from our youths to tell about the bush field- white point etc. We would probably be coming at this from a totally different view point. There would hardly be poisons blowing in from Haulbowline for a start. But our families more than likely would be relying on the port for a living -who knows!
Ned Kelly
05-07-2008, 11:47
My family and myself did rely on the port for a living in the early days and even at least one of my family relies on it to this day, i'm talking about the port of Cobh.I worked for fitzies early on, then the navy for a lil while, My bros worked for fitzies too and another in the steel, one in the dockyard and one more in the naval dockyard. The port of cork had sweet feckall to do do with k, so I don't know where yer comin from, enlighten me please!
What I meant was if all the port activity/shipping and heavy goods were landed in Cobh instead of up river in Cork, the chances would have been that the city would have developed down river too. The Great Island would have probably ended up a heavily populated concrete jungle. We wouldnt have had the semi/rural childhoods that we had, and alot more people in Cobh today probably would depend on the Port for a living. That said, we know that the present proposals by the port include the axing of jobs. I was merely surmising what might have been Ned!
Ned Kelly
07-07-2008, 14:35
Thank God or whoever that did'nt happen K, The future for the harbour I thought was in tourism? Presuming there is a future for tourism now with the pollution emanating from haulbowline. Will the liners still dock in Cobh , will the tourists visit Cobh?
If haulbowline is not cleaned up and be seen to be cleaned up, the future is dire to say the least, one hopes this had nothing to do with the visit of the antichrist.
Sorry there I go again, can't help meself!
Ha ha, you cant blame him for that one Ned. We did it one ourselves. My father, brother and mise worked there, most families in Cobh did aswell. we all knew what was going on, well we told otherwise but no one really believed the environment there was healthy or safe.
The big plans announced for luxury apartments, marina etc by Minister Michael Martin are deafinately dead in the water now!
Ned Kelly
09-07-2008, 13:30
Well I'll be honest with ya K, Pollution never even entered into my little naive brain when i was growing up in Cobh, I did'nt even think about it, I and many others were just interested in where the next quid came from and sod the consequences, not that i knew there were any!!!
Today with the brain a little more active then it was then and with a few more quid in the pocket I can actually think about the consequences.
Its easy when yer not hungry to look at the big picture and say cmon FFs lets do something about it!When yer hungry its so much harder!!
So lets hope we never get that hungry again and forget about whats gonna happen to future generations if we drop the ball!
I think your right about everyone not looking at pollution and danger upto the mid to late 80's. Net was built in 1975 -started. No way woud it have been passed or allowed to go ahead 10 years later. It was a dangerous time bomb on the one hand with its amonia and Co2 tanks, and it also was an invironmental pollutant in the long term. I think it was from the 1980's onwards that folk became aware of what they were breathing and working with at the I-Steel.
Ned Kelly
10-07-2008, 11:50
Thing is with the economy going down the drain, those dark days could surface faster than the titanic with a million hot air balloons attached!
We are ceretainly heading in that direction Ned. They say it will only be temporary for about two years, but I dont buy that. I saw the changes about a year ago not long after the General Election.
Ned Kelly
11-07-2008, 11:49
I think the future of the economy can be told by the price of a loaf of bread, its 2 bucks 50 here at the moment, whats it cost back there K?
Ned Kelly
28-11-2008, 09:48
http://chromiumharbour.googlepages.com/reports
Hi Ned, that is one great link you have posted, have saved it in my folders, will have a good read in the morning over breky...cheer Katy:)
Ned Kelly
29-11-2008, 14:34
Well worth a read Katy!
Surprisingly -there seems to be a lot of silence following that report. The opposition seems to be more interested in using Harneys hairdo to bring down the FF/Green Gov.
The avaerage loaf of bread has exceeded the €2 mark here also Ned!
Hi Kieran you mentioned bread now costing 2euros, not sure of exchange rates, but if you want decent bread over here it can be over £1-50....oohh!! Think I will start doing my own....Katy
Ned Kelly
05-12-2008, 09:58
Anybody read about geoff harvey of harvey norman comparing the downturn in the republics economy to that of the potato famine?
Feckin arsehole!
fullastern
05-12-2008, 10:56
I heard that comment Ned. This guy hasn't a clue if he thinks that.
Ned Kelly
08-12-2008, 09:37
Yes he is K, portrays himself as a true blue aussie.
He said when questioned about his comment about the spud famine he replied you think the irish would be able to take a joke. Feckin moron would'nt have a clue.
The only thing he's concerned about id the 40% drop in sales in his irish stores, he said if he had known that was going to happen in ireland he would'nt have touched ireland with a bargepole.
My advice to consumers back home is don't touch harvey normans with a bargepole.
Boycott the Fucker and thats putting it politely!:mad:
Or make their cheques out to 'Harvey Spud'!
Ned Kelly
11-12-2008, 09:48
he's also had a go at the homeless folk over here!
(http://www.fairfax.com.au/map/)
November 21, 2008
THE retail king Gerry Harvey may have a personal fortune of about $1.6 billion but the Harvey Norman founder thinks donating to charity is "just wasted".
Asked in a new book about the role he and Harvey Norman play in the community, Mr Harvey said giving money to people who "are not putting anything back into the community" is like "helping a whole heap of no-hopers to survive for no good reason".
He said he believed in helping "develop people to their potential" because "when they achieve [their potential] they will put a lot more back into the community".
"You could go out and give a million dollars to a charity tomorrow to help the homeless. You could argue that it is just wasted. They are not putting anything back into the community.
"It might be a callous way of putting it but what are they doing? You are helping a whole heap of no-hopers to survive for no good reason. They are just a drag on the whole community.
"So did that million you gave them help? It helped to keep them alive but did it help our society? No. Society might have been better off without them but we are supposed to look after the disadvantaged and so we do it. But it doesn't help the society."
'Society would be better off without them' wasnt there once a German Party with that same philosophy!
Ned Kelly
12-12-2008, 10:22
Yep K and harvey could be its new leader,Heil harvey!
Ned Kelly
13-12-2008, 08:39
Over here they call, harvey norman, *hardly normal*I says if the cap fits!
Sounds like a kind of Michael O'Leary type!
Ned Kelly
14-12-2008, 07:40
Its all up in the air methinks!
'Ryan Air' -is it bottled or canned?
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